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Palin Pall - Family is NOT off-limits

Obama might say Sarah Palin's family is off-limits for discussion, but it isn't for me.

I am SO distressed about McCain's choice of a running-mate, the thought of having someone that anti-choice ("pro-life") in our White House makes me nauseous. People tend to hide their true beliefs from the public eye, so if these are her public beliefs, what are her behind-closed-doors thoughts?! I am stunned that the Republicans can even consider someone so polarized on this giant issue.

Palin believes in Abstinance-Only Education. Poking one's head into the statistics of the states that ascribe to this "method" will demonstrate, quite bluntly, the failure of Abstinence-Only Education. In fact, Palin's own 17-year old daughter Bristol is Exhibit A that AOE, especially when that education is only received in the home, is a dismal failure.

Palin has even said she would be against abortion for her own daughter, even if she were raped. I agree with the writer that it is frightening that she would not permit her (then) 14-year old daughter the choice of whether to carry the baby or not.

This not-common-at-all woman puffs out her mama breasts that she gave birth to a baby with Down Syndrome even though she knew that fact prenatally. News flash! MOST couples make that choice!

But, let's ask how pro-family she is when she ruptures her membranes 5000 miles away from home, finishes her speech, flies the 8 hours home - in labor - before having her labor augmented - and then is back on the job 3 days later. Who's nursing the baby? (Rumor is she is, but how long will that continue if she is on the campaign trail and helping to run a country?) Having that many kids is hard enough, but having a new baby with Down Syndrome presents unique challenges for families to address and overcome. How is Sarah Palin going to make sure her son gets the best of care?

And who let her get on a plane at 8 months pregnant? And who let her fly with ruptured membranes? What doctor (or midwife) okay'd her to fly for 8 hours on a plane when she was already technically in labor? Who was monitoring this baby with Down Syndrome? What if he'd been born on the plane and needed life support? Didn't Ms. Pro-Life think about her child's needs before allowing the cabin door to close behind her? What was in her mind that she didn't go have the baby while still in Texas?

I ask these questions not because I just want to pick on the GOP, but because if this woman might be our President one day, what kind of judgement will she have regarding the lives of the American people if she can't even think clearly about the life inside her uterus?

And if she can't see her own hypocrisy when it comes to Bristol, I really just don't know where this woman's mind is. It isn't in reality.

I've chosen to stay in the birthing/mommy arena and not delve into the ghastly record she has with oil companies and (her lack of) foreign policy (experience) or even her extreme Pentacostal ("Bible-believing" [literally!]) religion that certainly condemns homosexuals, masturbation and -gasp- premarital sex. Oh, that's right, it's okay to have premarital sex as long as you don't consider abortion and you do plan on marrying the teen father. I forgot. Someone must have told God the new convoluted rules.

Now we all need to be so schooled.

Reader Comments (33)

What disturbs me the most is how this 17 year old girl's own personal choices are being used as fodder for more mud-slinging. Regardless of Sarah Palin's beliefs about birth control, condoms, abstinence only, etc, her daughter is her own person. None of us were there that fateful whenever that her child was conceived. We don't know if the boyfriend insisted on condom usage, whatever. In the end, no matter what a teen's sex education status is, they make their own choices. Every pregnant teenager I've known, talked to, counseled, etc, went to public schools and where I'm from, that means they got the whole schabang on sex education and they gave out condoms at the nurses office.

Ironically I was raised abstinence only and *shock* it worked for me and just about everyone I grew up with. The bottom line is that teenagers are their own people. Sarah Palin's daughter made her own choices and nobody really knows what happened there. I don't think it's truly a reflection of her "abstinence only" upbringing. I'm thinking there is probably a lot more to it than that, like there is with anybody.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRebekah

Palin as president...what a truly horrifying idea. You didn't even mention her policy of "Let's shoot the Alaskan wolves from a plane to bring up the moose population, so that it'll be easier to shoot the moose on the ground." How sportsmanlike!

I'm interested in your comment about most families choosing to keep their babies who have Down syndrome. I met a mom in my area (Western Mass.) who discovered after her twins' birth that one of them had Down's. She set about looking for a pediatrician who was experienced with Down's babies, but she was told that there are no peds around here who have much experience....because most families were choosing to end their pregnancies if Down's was diagnosed. I thought that was very sad. I wonder if it's different where you live?

(As an aside, this same mom was having milk supply issues, and a "friend" told her that she should save the breastmilk for the baby who didn't have Down syndrome, and give the other one formula. Lovely!)

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAnne

Completely agree. She makes me sick. I want to know all her little secrets even if Obama doesn't.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterNina

She's not just a Pentacostal, she is a member of the Assemblies of God Sect of Pentacostalism. This means we could have a president (and with McCain's age and history of cancer this is a likely possibility if he gets elected) who regularly speaks in tongues (this is not another language, just ridiculous gibberish), believes in faith healing (there is no evidence to date that anyone has ever been healed in this manner, in fact faith healers are regularly found to be running a scam), and the rapture. So she believes that any moment now Jesus is going to take all of his speaking in tongues and faith healer believers to heaven, leaving the rest of us to the devil. So, what is the point of helping the environment or saving endangered species or making the US a better place to live for it's citizens when any minute now the rapture is going to take you up to heaven and the earth will be left to the devil?

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer

Wow, that is scary- her beliefs are scary, and flying in a plane with ruptured membranes is scary!! AGH!!

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterHelen

Hey there,
Been a reader for a while. Love your views on homebirth and medicine. Rooting for you with your health issues, etc. What I'm struck by with this post is not that you disagree with Palin. That's fine. You don't have to like her. You don't have to like her views. But if you think all Christians have the hatreds you describe, I feel really badly about that. The Bible actually portrays a God of love - of so much love that He wants to keep us away from heartache. So, He lets us know what things will ultimately hurt us. Christians have not done a good job of loving people, because they have not understood the deep forgiveness God has given them through His Son's death on the cross. I'm so sorry you've been condemned by people who should have showed love to you. I love my God deeply, and I don't condemn you. Not sure that will matter to you. But I'll be reading...

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSara Kay

I believe there are Christians and christians. The Christians are those who strive to be Christ-like, loving, forgiving, respectful of people's differences and who don't live in a judgemental state most of their days.

"christians" on the other hand, are the opposite of Christians. They believe they're better than non-Christians, that they have a direct line to God's brain and motivations and that anyone that isn't a "C/christian" is doomed to hell unless they repent. Even if they never hear about Jesus. christians are arrogant in their religion, their fervor annoying those around them, even Christians who entreat them to remember, "What Would Jesus Do?"

What WOULD Jesus do?

He'd be a friend of mine. He'd hang out with me without batting an eye. He'd worry about the world in the way most of us do... the violence in His name, the way we are treating the earth, the way we are treating each other.

If Christianity were as kind and respectful as it should/could be, I'd be much more inclined to appreciate its doctrine.

And, fwiw, I have had quite a few Christian clients... my asking, "Are you SURE? You *do* know I am lesbian, right?" It is those wonderful clients - and my Christian family members and friends - that help me to know that you, writer, are certainly in the capital C side of the equation.

September 3, 2008 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

Amen
You're the first person besides myself bring up how insane it is to continue to promote abstinence only education. It does NOT work. Palin's daughter is just one of many victims of this type of "education".

I shudder to think of how her little Down's baby will be neglected by his mama if she and McCain are elected.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKaren

who regularly speaks in tongues (this is not another language, just ridiculous gibberish), believes in faith healing (there is no evidence to date that anyone has ever been healed in this manner, in fact faith healers are regularly found to be running a scam), and the rapture. So she believes that any moment now Jesus is going to take all of his speaking in tongues and faith healer believers to heaven, leaving the rest of us to the devil. So, what is the point of helping the environment or saving endangered species or making the US a better place to live for it's citizens when any minute now the rapture is going to take you up to heaven and the earth will be left to the devil?

what was the point of all this? I love this blog. I love your birth stories and I agree with most of your views. However, I found the above comment to be uninformed, and clueless on other people's spiritual views. And when you're uninformed and clueless a person tends to make rude comments.


I'm a Christian. My sister is a lesbian and I don't condemn that of her, I do condemn her choices because I mean, whew, horrible women that she chooses to date! But we all love and stand by her.
I do believe in faith healing, AS WELL AS the medical model. My dad just retired from being a paramedic for 28 years and has helped save many lives and caught many premature babies during his time. I've had 2 home births, which I chose to have at home after doing my own research, however I would have transferred in a heartbeat.

In regards to faith healing, I personally was diagnosed with scleroderma morphea when I was 16. Considered still a child which mean that the percentage of people who have it, even less are children. I suffered with it for 4 years until I finally decided I'd ask God for help. I went to a place called The Healing Rooms, where all they do is pray over you. That's it. I asked God to heal me and that day, that very day I stopped suffering. It had been so bad that I couldn't shave, I couldn't swim in the ocean because of the salt water, cholorinated pools were horrid to me, I had to use lotions that were hypoallerginic and non-scented. You'd think these were all just stupid little things, but this "stupid" little auto-immune disease was running my life for me. So I prayed. I asked God to heal me, and had faith that whether he did or not it wouldn't matter. He healed me. I still have the "signature" patch which first appeared on my stomach but it's diminished in size. However, I can go to any dermatologist and prove that I *once* had it. Of course they'd say it just went into remission.

About speaking in tongues, people do *do* this, and no it's not gibberish. My mom has sung in tongues for as long as I can remember. She once encountered a woman in church. She had gone up front to worship and the woman was speaking in tongues, my mom knew what she was saying and it was specific to the circumstances my mom had been praying about. It's not gibberish, unless the message isn't for you.
My sister a few years back was hit by a car while riding on her bike. The car knocked her 20 feet away and she landed on her tailbone, which has given her back problems since then. A crowd of people had gathered around her and said she was praying and talking about angels that had kept her from getting further injured. My sister was conscious and coherent, except she remembers praying in tongues. And she's not one to regularly do it.

How and why would it hurt us, if her beliefs are the above?

Because of my above beliefs, I shouldn't run for VP??

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermommy michael

Abstinence only education gets you pregnant teenagers. I do think that abstinence is the best policy, but if an alternative isn't discussed this is what happens. If a teenager decides to have sex they should be presented with a responsible way to protect themselves from disease and pregnancy. We can't live our lives with our head in the sand, it just isn't realistic. It is up to parents to instill morals in their children and hopefully their children will accept them as their own. We all know that a lot of teenagers don't follow all of their parents guidance - we've all been there. It is just plain irresponsibility to not give an alternative.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTina

Abstinence only education is bullshit. Texas, a state with the most funding for AOE also had the highest teen pregnancy rate last year. See it does work. I find Palin to be too extreme. I don't care if she is Christian, Muslim, or atheist. But I do care that she is anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-choice and a family values hypocrite.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermoira

it makes me sad to think that a woman who is willing to sacrifice her family for her job could get into office.
what does that teach our children? that they are not as important as money or politics?
maybe it would be best that she were far away from her kids though, seems like a nanny would most likely raise them better and with more care and concern.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdanielle

I agree that to a certain extent that her family and any candidate's family needs to be left out of it. And what I mean by that is that Bristol Palin should be left alone. She made a choice to have premarital sex, she got pregnant, and now the whole world is watching her.

Now, how her parents choices affected her, and how those same choices affect her mother's ability to possibly govern this country? Absolutely fair game.

The fact that this seemed to attempt to hide this pregnancy and then only came out after the rumors about Trig came out has led to this whole ordeal. They had to have known that once the public became aware of this pregnancy that it would be a media frenzy and they went ahead. They CHOSE to put their daughter through this media scrutiny.

And when Trig was born, you left out that once she arrived back in Anchorage, she bypassed both Providence Medical Center (level 2 and 3 NICU) and Alaska Regional Medical Center (level 2 NICU) for Mat-Su Regional Medical Center (no NICU) up near Wasilla to deliver after having ruptured membranes with an infant considered to be medically fragile.

Her family itself is off limits to me, but the decisions she has made in regards to that family, are absolutely open to debate and scrutiny.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer

Wonderfully said. Thank you.

September 3, 2008 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

I have to disagree with the previous poster's comments on Christians, as a Christian myself, but I am also an Obama supporter. I knew that Palin had a son with Down Syndrome, but I didn't know the specifics about the birth of her son. I am kind of on the fence about the whole "family values" thing. On the one hand, its kind of hypocritical to criticize her for her choices on work and family. It smacks of the debate between SAHMs and WOHMs- its divisive and judgemental. Is her husband a SAHD? ON the other hand, I fear that she will be held as an example of true "womanhood", that she can push out a baby and be back at work a few days later, and as a reason NOT to support paid family leave (not an issue here in NJ, but I am a big supporter of a federal law promoting it). Especially given McCain's comments about equal pay, and the economy. I also think her selection as VP nominee also smacks of "tokenness", first black Pres nominee, first female VP?? It seems silly. My gut reaction to her is one of fear and queasiness.

By the way, she is on TV right now, and I have been listening to her speech while I type. I am going to go into the living room and rewind so I can really listen-Thank God for Tivo!

Jen

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer B

Long time reader, love your birth stories.

But:
DS Termination Stats

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterVal

Posted by Mommy Michael-

"What was the point of all this? I love this blog. I love your birth stories and I agree with most of your views. However, I found the above comment to be uninformed, and clueless on other people's spiritual views. And when you're uninformed and clueless a person tends to make rude comments.

How and why would it hurt us, if her beliefs are the above?

Because of my above beliefs, I shouldn't run for VP??"

1. The point of all of that was to demonstrate the type of beliefs that Palin holds and that they are not compatible with science, evidence, logic, or reason. Palin is mostly theocratic in her politics so we should all be familiar with her religious views. If I am going to be governed based on her religious beliefs, then they are surely open for discussion and debate.

2. I wrote this comment, Barb did not. Are you suggesting that Barb should have censored it? I find that humorous in light of recent events.

3. So I'm "uninformed, clueless, and rude" huh? Ever heard of an ad hominem argument? This was a classic example. I'm actually quite informed on religious sects/cults as I spent over 30 years of my life in one (born into it). I was actually just interviewed for a book being written on the subject.

4. "How and why would it hurt us if her views are the above?"
I didn't say the first two views would "hurt" us, it is just that I prefer a person in office who has the ability to interpret scientific data and evidence, or the inclination to look at the evidence in the first place, to govern me. Someone who does not even realize that faith healers are scam artists is not someone I want as the president of the country. I notice you left out the rapture belief, but that is an obvious one, and one that I do think can hurt us. I don't want someone as my president who thinks Jesus is going to take her to heaven any minute now and leave my wicked self here with the devil. Environmental issues will not be taken seriously and that could ultimately harm the entire human race.

5. "Because of my above beliefs, I shouldn't run for VP?"
You can run if you wish, just as Palin can run if she wishes, but I wouldn't vote for you. I also would write about my opinions of you and your beliefs, and would hope that my opinions would not be censored.

Note: I'm sure this sounds harsh to you, but I don't believe in faith as a reason to believe in something. I especially don't believe in things because other people have "faith" in them. Therefore, I am only concerned with provable logical facts, not this whole "faith" concept that is not tangible or provable. I was sharing these things for others who may feel the same, or somewhat the same as I do. Obviously that wasn't you. I am sure that the fact that you share the same faith with Palin is a bonus for you, and you are free to share those views anywhere you wish as well. I promise I wont insult you ad hominem style if you do.

September 3, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer (mama blogess)

wow
you're a hypocrite. I'm not looking for this to be published. I jsut think it's ironic how so many of you 'women power' midwifes turn off that switch right quick if you don't agree with a choice a women has made that empowers her. Her labor wasn't "augmented" it was induced. Don't twist the facts. And how sick is it that on one hand you are mad that she doesn't support babies getting torn to pieces and sucked out of their home, and then you turn around and pretty much call her a bad mother for consulting with her doctor and deciding her own path of medical care. You're off my blogroll, lady.
The stench of hypocrisy is disgusting. You should be ashamed.

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commentersara

No I wasn't saying that I thought you should be censored. It's not my blog to be saying that.

Sorry, didn't mean to leave out the rapture bit. I too believe in the rapture, and whether or not you get "left behind" has nothing to do with me. That's between you and God.

I care very deeply about the environment, just because I believe in the rapture doesn't mean that I'm going to not take care of the earth God's given me and it's ridiculous to think so.

Note, I'm not voting for either candidate. I'd be voting between the lesser of two evils. Mcsame with Palin... or Obama, who I don't trust very much, and Biden....hmmmmmmm.

Everybody is attacking Palin for her spiritual or religious views, but they sure as hell are able to look over Obama's pastor and his rants on whitey, and "God damn america" wow. Yeah! Let's vote for him.

The mainstream media has suddenly found the funds to scour the 656,424 sqare miles of Alaskan fronteir with a fine tooth comb in hopes of discovering any inkling of a Sarah Palin scandal.

So far they've got nothing--
Oh, except that along with Democratic leaders of Congress they trashed her 17 year-old engaged daughter.

But, they are good at making up scandals.
Not only did they try to create a phony Israel scandal (where they still ignore Obama's links to a former PLO operative and his church's support of terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah) but now they are attacking Palin's former church from years ago because it was anti-abortion.

"I'm actually quite informed on religious sects/cults as I spent over 30 years of my life in one (born into it). I was actually just interviewed for a book being written on the subject."

24 years ago I was "born into" the Christian religion, and went to christian schools. My dad was in seminary, so I've learned quite a bit through him as well..... so? That does that give me 24 years experience? I guess you could say that.

I think faith has a huge deal with why to believe in something. I have faith in my husband and trust that he won't cheat on me. Of course he's never given me a reason to doubt him either, doesn't me he never will.

"Palin holds and that they are not compatible with science, evidence, logic, or reason."

what religion is? The christian religion can spout mounding evidence that further backs up the bible's passages.

When you understand the Bible's origins, you understand why Christians through the ages have trusted their lives to it.

Believers can point to mounting archaeological evidence that consistently confirms the Bible's accuracy and sheds additional light on its historical context. The weight of scholarship, one eminent scholar has noted, began to shift dramatically in support of scripture in the early decades of the twentieth century as technology, travel, and funds permitted widespread archaeological digs.
For example, excavations by French archaeologists uncovered over 20,000 cuneiform tablets, dating from the fifteenth century BC, that corroborate the cultural and legal background of the stories of Old Testament figures like Abraham and Moses.
Or consider that early in the twentieth century, secular scholars dismissed the hittite empire because there was no evidence of its existence other than the biblical references. Then archaeologists discovered the ruins of the hittite empire in what is today Turkey. It turned out to be an advanced civilization, so much so that today a dictionary of the hittite language has been published by scholars at the university of chicago.

Then there is the crucial discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls revealed that Psalm 22, which predicted Christ's crucifixion, was indeed dated well before the Maccabean era. For several generations, Bible scholars had believed Psalm 22 could not have been written before the Maccabean era because the practice of crucifixion, which it referred to, had not been invented.
Before the end of the 1950's, no less than 25,000 biblical sites had been substantiated by the archaeological discoveries; there has been no discovery proving the Bible false. No other religious document now or in history has ever been found that accurate. The Book of Mormon, for example, talks about a civilization in North America in 400-600 BC. Not a single artifact of that civilization has ever been discovered.

Not only that but there is a lot of prophecy written into the bible. Prophecy that has come true, but was written centuries before it ever happened.
to quote:
"Some of the Bible’s most striking examples of fulfilled prophecies are those that accurately foretold specific details about the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, centuries before He was born! More than 200 prophecies, written centuries before His birth, foretold specific events in His life that were fulfilled to the letter. He would be born of a virgin and named Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23), in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:3–8). He would be a descendant of David (Matthew 1:1; 22:42–45). He would sojourn in Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:13–15). His birth would prompt a massacre of children (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16–18). He would live in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1–2; Matthew 2:19–23). He would enter Jerusalem on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:1–5). He would die with transgressors and be buried in the tomb of a rich man (Isaiah 53:9, 12). He would be resurrected after three days (Matthew 12:40; Jonah 1:17)."
The Bible contains more than 1,500 prophecies that foretell in remarkable detail the future of prominent cities, kings and kingdoms. Fulfilled prophecies.

That's why I have faith in Christ. I have proof of why I should have faith. It's not a blind faith that I go wildly into.

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermommy michael

Sorry didn't mean to go on and on.

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermommy michael

Hypocrite? That's funny, actually. (Not sure why I'm even addressing this since sarah isn't reading me anymore, but what the hay.)

I know more pro-choice midwives (not "midwifes") than anti-choice ones. Probably because we know, intimately, how life-changing babies can be to a family (and woman in particular). Abortion isn't to be taken lightly; it is a serious committment that is un-doable. But it is a CHOICE that women have.

And TECHNICALLY, she was augmented because she was already IN labor - a woman is in labor once her water has broken. The press doesn't know what augmentation is, so they call it induced, but she wasn't. She was already IN labor. I *do* know what I'm talking about and *do* have the facts straight.

I think this Palin woman is a delightful lightning rod for all of our emotions regarding what makes a good mother. Of course I believe women should work, be heads of state, be president if they want to be. However, PARENTS make choices that absolutely affect their children and Sarah Palin's choices are no different. Mr. Palin is a full-time working dad and Mrs. Palin is a more-than-full-time working mother. Who's taking care of those children? Nannies? How traditional are those values? THESE are the hypocritical actions that make me pick at Palin's glaring faults.

If I angered you, sarah, so much that you won't read me anymore, then I have done my job as a writer... to make you THINK and ACT. I don't really care that it makes you never want to come back here. I do care that you use your mind and heart to make your choices.

Yes, there's that word again.

Choice.

Happily, we live in a democracy and I get to vote for whom I want to. And so, too, does everyone else.

September 4, 2008 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

I find it funny that people ream her for her daughter's choices.

Does everybody else's children obey them to that extent? Is it really all Palin's fault for her daughter's choice to have premarital sex?

My mom taught me abstinence. But in my family we talked about sex, a lot. haha We got the traditional introductory speech about the "birds and bees" but as we got older we always felt we could ask questions "do you and dad still....do it?"
Dad being a paramedic, they always taught us kids about std's and proper protection, but that they'd always prefer us to wait until marriage.
which, I probably, most likely, would have done. I was raped not two months before I met my husband and started dating him. My husband has been the only man I've had sex with and I honestly feel like if I hadn't been raped and had such a traumatic emotional and physical experience to where I thought "oh well. there goes that..." my husband *who was also a virgin when we met* and I would have saved it until the marriage bed.

I certainly don't blame my mom for my choice. She may feel like a "failure" because we didn't wait, but no one has ever imposed that on her. And I pray to God they never do.

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermommy michael

I haven't formed a full opinion on Palin yet (and I'm an Obama supporter anyway) but I just feel so, so bad for Bristol. I myself was a 17 yr old single, pregnant teenager, and then mother 20 years ago, and it was horrifying hard to be pregnant under the scrutiny of my school, my church, and my unhappy family. I can NOT even begin to imagine what it must be like to be trying to do it under the scrutiny of the entire country, on camera. If I were her mother, I think I might have been inclined to stay out of the public eye just for her sake, if nothing else (but I'm not a politician.)

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdoctorjen

mommy michael,

I care very deeply about the environment, just because I believe in the rapture doesn't mean that I'm going to not take care of the earth God's given me and it's ridiculous to think so.

I don't know what you personally think about the environment, but people in general who hold beliefs about the world ending soon, or the rapture taking them away soon, generally are far less concerned about the environment, simply because they feel god is going to take care of it and they don't have to. That doesn't mean they don't recycle or whatever, just means they don't see environmental issues as very important politically.

Everybody is attacking Palin for her spiritual or religious views, but they sure as hell are able to look over Obama's pastor and his rants on whitey, and "God damn america" wow. Yeah! Let's vote for him.

I'm far more comfortable with Obama's faith then Palins. Here is why:

Obama's view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdB1_KFOhnU

Palin's View:
Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84m2orSOaM&feature=related
What her church believes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VtF7Ypr1hY&feature=related

I think faith has a huge deal with why to believe in something. I have faith in my husband and trust that he won't cheat on me. Of course he's never given me a reason to doubt him either, doesn't me he never will.

The thing is, you have faith in your husband because you know him and love him and he has proved himself to you. I have faith in my husband because I know him and love him and he has proved himself to me. I don't have faith in your husband just because you do, and you don't have faith in mine just because I do. Therefore, I'm not going to trust your husband or live my life the way he would want me to, because I don't know him or have faith in him. If you run for office and tell me that everything you do will first need to be run by your husband because you have faith in him, well then we're all going to want to know all about your husband. And no, we aren't all going to have faith in him just because you do.

what religion is? (compatible with science, evidence, logic, or reason)

None are, that is why the constitution says that there should be separation of church and state. Religion is not supposed to play a part in government and this is precisely why. Palin has other ideas, and she believes in a theocracy, which is the opposite of what the constitution ensures we will have.

When you understand the Bible's origins, you understand why Christians through the ages have trusted their lives to it.

I've obviously come to a very different conclusion, and it is not because I am not educated about the bible and it's origins or it's supposed fulfilled prophesies. This whole line of discussion is irrelevant though, as my only concern is with Palin's sect of Christianity, not that she is a Christian. Her sect's beliefs are what I called into question, not the bible or god. Obama is a Christian who believes in the bible and god, but I don't have any problem with his religion or beliefs. And even if you prove to me that the bible is true, that doesn't mean that faith healing, speaking in tongues, and the rapture are things that I want my elected official believing in.

September 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer (mama blogess)

Enough.

September 5, 2008 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

So, I totally understand why you would disagree with Palin on abortion and many other issues. I am a conservative and evangelical Christian, but I have no issues with people disagreeing on policy. That's politics, and I like to be afforded the same respect when I disagree with Obama's policies. :)

However, I have been absolutely baffled by some responses from the feminist camp to Palin. Issues, fine. Go for it!
But why is her ability to do the job being questioned by women who are all for women being able to choose their lifestyles and their careers? Why question her dedication to breastfeeding or to mothering (did you notice she takes that baby with her in a sling, and has been known to discreetly breastfeed him in meetings?) What bothers me is that I am sure, sure, sure, that if Palin were a liberal woman, headed for a high political office while babywearing and breastfeeding (or even if she hired nannies and didn't breastfeed) and knowing her own body and doing her own thing, doctors be damned (she didn't give birth until 7 hours *after* she arrived back in Alaska) she would be praised to high heaven. As things stand, these particular complaints against Palin are remarkably similar to the sexist super-patriarchal condemnations against her from the extreme conservatives.

One other point--having known some advocates for people with Down's Syndrome and other disabilities, I do not think it could rightly be said that *most* diagnosed with that particular abnormality are allowed to reach term, by parental choice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome Perhaps the report wiki has is on the high end (I hope so!), but 90% of diagnosed pregnancies being terminated indicates that most actually choose to *abort*, rather than keep those babies.

Anyway, I love your blog even though we are on opposite ends of the political and belief spectrum. :)

September 5, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMargaret

Because Sarah's Palin's lifestyle will be the model for what our country will have to endure - her belief in abstinence-only education, her making work the priority over family (not very AP if you ask me) and even HEALTH and her vehement stand on abortion all combine to open herself up for judgements on her life and family. She is in the public eye; she's choosing to be scrutinized.

It's interesting, the stats for termination of DS babies. I was mis-informed by my own experiences. I apologize. I didn't realize so many pregnancies even had DS babies involved.

Thanks for reading - even as we disagree. I think that as long as we can LISTEN to each other and not BASH each other with our views, the discussion is beneficial. It was the disintegrating nature of the religious posts that are now being rejected for printing.

September 5, 2008 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

The heated discussions and arguing and hatred spewed from both sides is exactly the kind of behavior that has gotten us in the position that we are. You are playing right into the pattern of fear and static that has been set before you.

Focus on the bullshit and the smoke and no one will ever have to take a cold, hard look at the issues.

Here's how I see the issues: (and not in order of importance)
- Education
- Economy
- The war in Iraq
- The middle class that is dissapearing by the day
- The MASSIVE (and I mean MASSIVE) amounts of money that have gone INTO the pockets of the friends of the Bush Administration and OUT OF the pockets of the hard working Americans that shoulder the country on their back
- The constitution and what it means for EVERY American
- Freedom of choice and protection from tyranny
- The environment
- health care (no, I do not believe the govt should control health care)
- Protection from having someone (or some group) control my reproductive rights. Don't like abortion? Don't friggin have one.

The other thing that wriles my dander is that it is perfectly acceptable for GOP to perpetuate lies and the hatred and bigotry and condemn others for their actions/opitions/etc.....but if it comes "at" the GOP then it's being rude, nasty, hateful, disrespectful towards women. That door should swing BOTH WAYS.

If you can honestly say to yourself with full conviction that the last 8 years have worked for you and your family, that you feel like our country is in a better place than the years/decade before, that your family is prospering and feels empowered, that we are still considered the world leader, that we are respected in teh world, that our economy is working for "everyone" and that you feel optimistic in the future for your children and grandchildren and that you think it's ok for someone to mix church and state - then vote that way for more of the same.

If you want something different because you can't answer the above questions with a resounding yes....then vote that way.

Voting for someone just because they have ovaries is a VERY DANGEROUS line of thinking.

Agree to disagree. Stay OUT of the vortex. Focus on the ISSUES. VOTE.

September 5, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterDora

I've already given my opinion, but I'd like to add one or two more things.

I've already said that Bristol Palin should be left alone, but that the choices her parents have made are open to questioning. When they stated that her pregnancy was a private matter and asked the public to respect that, well that was one thing. But then again, they've paraded this child, and now her "fiance" all over the place, for photo ops and such. If they want it to be a private family matter, then keep it private. They seem to be relishing the praise they are getting from the anti-abortion folks, but as soon as everyone else makes a criticism, they remind us it should all be private.

The other thing is the statements regarding if she was a liberal woman or a man, she wouldn't be getting these sorts of criticisms from the left. That's just not true. When John Edwards chose to run for president even after his wife was disagnosed with a reoccurance of cancer, and incurable at that, he was HEAVILY criticized by the right and the left. It didn't matter that his wife fully supported him running for president or that they made the decision together, people still had a lot of questions about how the man could attend to the country and his family at the same time. Years ago, Joe Biden was criticized in his home state for following through with his senate victory after his wife and daughter died and two young sons at home recovering from serious injuries. These questions aren't about her being a woman, they are about her being a parent and a spouse and her responsibilities to her family.

September 5, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer

Hi -

Just wanted to point out that Palin is NOT the first woman nominated by a major party for VP. That honor belongs to Ms. Geraldine Ferraro (D, NY) who was the VP choice of Walter Mondale in 1984.

September 5, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPixie

And who let her get on a plane at 8 months pregnant? And who let her fly with ruptured membranes? What doctor (or midwife) okay'd her to fly for 8 hours on a plane when she was already technically in labor? Who was monitoring this baby with Down Syndrome? What if he'd been born on the plane and needed life support? Didn't Ms. Pro-Life think about her child's needs before allowing the cabin door to close behind her? What was in her mind that she didn't go have the baby while still in Texas?

Very good questions. I hadn't even thought of those...

~ Kimberly

September 10, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterlabortrials

What WOULD Jesus do?

He'd be a friend of mine. He'd hang out with me without batting an eye. He'd worry about the world in the way most of us do... the violence in His name, the way we are treating the earth, the way we are treating each other.

Yes.....but nobody that hung out with Jesus as a friend was left unchanged. Try it and see!

September 12, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterPeggy

"And who let her get on a plane at 8 months pregnant? And who let her fly with ruptured membranes? What doctor (or midwife) okay'd her to fly for 8 hours on a plane when she was already technically in labor? Who was monitoring this baby with Down Syndrome? What if he'd been born on the plane and needed life support? Didn't Ms. Pro-Life think about her child's needs before allowing the cabin door to close behind her? What was in her mind that she didn't go have the baby while still in Texas?"

These were exactly the first thoughts in my mind when I heard about the details of the birth on the news....and I'm a Christian and pro-life and pro-abstinence. You're right that it doesn't make a lot of sense.

May 15, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterscout234

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