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Original F-Word Post Removed (to make way for Jen's post)

I removed the post because so many others were much more eloquent than my knee-jerk reaction regarding the cruel comments towards the Joshua's mother.

Just know I have not, in any way, changed my stance on circumcision (being the decision of the child/man) and absolutely support the activities and actions Jennifer Coias so beautifully describes in her post "Who Are You Calling an Intactivist?"

I now know more about Intactivism and am sure it will help make me a better midwife.

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Reader Comments (8)

Thank you for this. As a compassionate intactivist, I really appreciate it.

October 12, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterWrldChngngMama

I think your post was helpful in showing what comments stood out, though. I mean some were awful and sometimes it's hard to put those in the background and hear what is really being said. The real message was more about the doctors and the hospital. The real message was compassion, but it was very, very easy to lose sight of that amidst all the horrible comments like the ones you picked out.

So anyway, when I first read your post I was cheering. I was so happy to see someone saying what I was thinking. But, like you, I have kept reading and learned more and come to realize that while there were some horrible comments (because there WERE and no one can deny that!), most were not.

October 12, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer Trias

The things being said about and TO that mother were horrendous, and needed to be called out. I don't think you should have removed it - I think you should have stood your ground. Some people in the the "intactivist" community have lost their f-ing marbles, and those who wish NOT to be lumped in with that behavior ought to see the things those people are doing. I do not believe for a single minute that it's not intactivists harassing this mother, or (STILL) harassing me (you can find them sprouting up every single day on my Facebook page. And you know where they come from? From that psycho intactivist board. Gloria Lemay once posted that she was unfollowing me because I'm pro-MGM, which is a LIE - but where do you think she got that? When I asked her about it, she pretended not to know what I was talking about, even though I had a screenshot of that nonsense.

VBACtivists battle against generations of terrible misinformation, but we DO NOT picket outside the hospital where a baby just died. Instead, we use our own money to fly to the NIH to go head-to-head with the ACOG. Guess which group has had more success this year?

October 13, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterTheFeministBreeder

1. Hysterical that I didn't have one clue what the threading eyebrow comment meant; what a bizarre thing to look at, of all that is going on, that a COSMETIC, SUPERFICIAL observation was made. I mean, aren't we talking about remaining intact? As nature intended? So what if someone doesn't pluck/wax/shave/wear deoderant/wear clothes/etc. I'm just stumped as to where someone would be so... so... judgemental as to bring something like this up in a discussion as sober as this one.

2. Gina - I really appreciate your comment a lot. Know that I didn't take the post down because of *any* pressure to (as I've gotten for several other pieces); it has totally been my choice and I felt it was the right thing to do. It saddens me that you've had such harrassment. It's really sad that people don't believe you over gossipy people. I know that reality first-hand, so think I am especially sympathetic to that issue. I believe you... not sure if that helps, but just thought I'd say it anyway. I am also *very* proud of the work you do, Gina. You work tirelessly for women's rights in so many areas. Thank you for that.

3. I totally am sure the press found the story on their own. It's what they do for a living... *finding* news stories... and this is certainly a news story! I like to believe the press' knowing might help justice find the answer, but I have also known the press to muck things up terribly.

4. No matter where the family is in their thoughts about Joshua dying, whether they support the docs and their advice or not, will be irrelevant to their thoughts 6 or 12 months down the line. They are surely in a state of shock/disbelief and it takes time to assimilate the information. (I know you all reading know this, but felt it was worth saying anyway.) I hope they have loving, knowledgable advice down the road when they are ready to move forward.

October 13, 2010 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

If I remember correctly, the comments Navelgazing Midwife posted, though horrible, were not comments made on the mother's blog, but rather on Facebook. I realize that that forum on Facebook isn't exactly private and I am in no way saying those comments were OK there. I'm just saying that the horrible ones made TO the mother may not have been from intactivists or may have been from a fringe minority that I hope is in no way associated with The WHOLE network or peaceful parenting or any of those.

I don't think a pissing match between VBACtivists and intactivists and lactivists and whatever else is a good idea or is particularly helpful. So many women and mothers care so much about all those issues. I know I do.

October 13, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterJennifer Trias

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

October 13, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterTheFeministBreeder

Jennifer (Trias): Yes, the comments were from FB.

October 13, 2010 | Registered CommenterNavelgazing Midwife

I do not think you should have removed it. I think you've publicly said, you know what? I didn't do so good there, now I know better. Well that's super, but anyone stumbling on the blog now isn't going to appreciate what that retraction really means, because they can't see what was retracted. I also like reading the comments on your posts and if course the comments are gone now, too.

Just my 0.02

October 14, 2010 | Unregistered CommenterSam

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